So it's not a philosophical matter of simple oppression, but a lot more complex with more axis of identity to examine.įurthermore, I contest the labeling of anyone now as a 'riot grrrl' because riot grrrl as a movement is beyond dead. And I think it is particularly tired and boring in application to so-called 'Third Wave' feminists (which coincides with the rise and fall of the riot grrrl movement) because we really see power in a more postmodern sense, in which it is constitutive and embedded within us - power "from below" as Foucault would have had it. I think that the whole "hating" or "blaming" men thing is a really tired, overused argument against feminists. It is more likely a dig at Kathleen Hanna's scenester punk status and the fact that she kind of became the face of the whole riot grrrl scene. The "you've been crowned the newest queen" couldn't be a message about Le Tigre and Kathleen Hanna's increased fame because of that group - the song / album was released before Le Tigre had even formed (1998). However on NOFX's end the song fell on deaf ears and actually led to Le tigre selling out, being used by many major corporations, including a jewerly company that has a history with blood diamonds. Le tigre then put out deceptacon(which is catchy as fuck, but when you are as subtle as calling lyrics dumb, well it ruins the point). Speaking serious shit against a band because of obviously sarcastic lyrics(even though in 'Liza and louise' there is an undertone of women's liberation) is pretty lame in the first place and Kill Rock Stars was probably nothing more then a press release on to what they thought of the situation. And since the rest of the band played the songs, they got brought down with him. Kathleen did in fact hate Fat Mike for his songs about (fat) S and M lesbians. Anyway since it was awesome to see a flood of le tigre/ bikini kill fans, I'd figure I would have a go on the side of NOFX. Yeah not to mention theres actually only one white person in NOFX, that being smelly their drummer. And while Kathleen Hannah is a prominent feminist she does not hate men. Ultimately Fat Mike is not a sexist, in fact he started the record label Pink and Black Records purely for female artists. Kathleen pressed charges and Courtney plead guilty to assault.įrom what I know some of the tension between Fat Mike and Kathleen arose when NOFX and Bikini Kill shared the bill at a festival in Hawaii where Fat Mike dedicated the song "Liza and Louise" to Bikini Kill (Liza and Louise being a song about a comical lesbian romance and Bikini Kill being a very open feminist band)Īll that aside “Kill Rock Starts” and “Deceptacon” was just an school feud between bands nothing more. Days later Courtney referred to Kathleen as "Ratface" in an AOL message board. Courtney retaliated by flicking a lit cigarette at Kathleen, pelting here with candy and punching her in the face. The line "I wish I could have seen Courtney demonstrate some real misogyny" refers to a fight between Kathleen Hannah and Courtney Love which happened backstage during the Lollapalooza tour on 4 July 1995.Īpparently Kathleen remarked that Frances Bean (Kurt Cobain and Courtney’s child) was in another room with an I.V referring to the fact that Courtney was known for having taken several dangerous narcotics while pregnant.
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